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lauredhel

Uh. That blogger claims to be a doctor, and he has never heard of the balloon/Foley method of cervical ripening/induction?

Did he get his degree from a Weeties packet?

I'm really glad for you that you had safe, normal births :)

Mother of the Bride

Ten green bottles - do women still mutter this? Being told by my daughter (whose baby is about the same age as KK) that practically everything I did when I had her is now out of date, I'm amazed to find that (according to Dr Crippen) ten green bottles survives. Or maybe the good doc is as old as I am? Anyway, the bottles certainly worked for me.

Constance

Good grief! What kind of poisoness nonsense do you expect from someone who choses the nom de plume "Dr. Crippen" who violently murdered women and was an emotionless socio/psychopath.

Fromthestart

*applauds*

I've had to stop reading that blog - it just made me too angry.
I completely agree with you - I wanted as intervention free as possible, and while I did use TENS and gas and air, I feel that I got exactly what I wanted in terms of a birth plan.

I definitely did NOT want an epidural that might increase my risk of forceps/ventouse/c-section, and I didn't want any drugs incase they made me vomit all over the place...

What Dr Crippen has against that kind of approach - well, I have no idea. Obviously if there was any danger to me or the baby whilst in labour, then further intervention would have been considered and taken, but there was no need.


Sarah V.

Lauredhel: In fairness to him, I'd never heard of that gadget either. We're GPs, not obstetricians. Then again, although I didn't get my degree from a Weeties packet, apparently the medical school I did get it from has just been found to be the worst in the country on postgraduate exam results...

Mother of the Bride: I haven't heard of anyone singing it in labour. Perhaps Dr Crippen's just showing his age?

Mom: I've been reading his blog for a year or so now, and I think he's actually an excellent doctor. He just has this tendency to inflexible views on some points, that sometimes seems to owe more to prejudice than to information.

FromTheStart: I actually don't think he is against natural birth, just homebirth. But he has this stereotype of homebirthers in his mind, and he seems to make fun of that rather than putting forward reasoned arguments.

Fromthestart

Sarah V - he has an abject hatred of homebirths, he sees them as massively unsafe. He calls midwives 'madwives'. He doesn't make fun of anyhing, just puts forward his very strong views on the subject, which are obviously totally correct, and god forbid that a pregnant woman wants to make her own choices about her own birth without 7 years medical training... and god help her if the midwives try and advise her in any way.

Sorry, but I have been reading his blog for a long time, and he is very black and white about these things.

Midwifemuse

I read Dr Crippen, sometimes I even agree with him, but his attitude toward childbirth appears to be so entrenched in medicalisation that he has me shouting at my computer screen.
It was so refreshing to read this entry, for which I have to thank Dr C, and you have put the case for attempting to encourage normality in childbirth so beautifully that I shall refer to your words when facilitating parentcraft/antenatal classes.
Thank you

Dr John Crippen

Hi guys

Can I go through one of the comments above? There are two sides to this story and part of the problem is that the lunatic fringe of homebirthers just put their fingers in their ears and scream "I'm not going to listen, I'm not going to listen."


*applauds*

I've had to stop reading that blog - it just made me too angry.

[There we go. So, you are not going to listen.]

I completely agree with you - I wanted as intervention free as possible, and while I did use TENS and gas and air, I feel that I got exactly what I wanted in terms of a birth plan.

[I agree with minimum intervention to, commensurate with the safety of the baby and the mother]

I definitely did NOT want an epidural that might increase my risk of forceps/ventouse/c-section, and I didn't want any drugs in case they made me vomit all over the place...

[Then don't have them. They are not compulsory. Pethidine, in particular, is a complete no no. They stopped using it years ago in the USA. I cannot believe that it is still rammed into women's thighs without so much as a by your leave in this country]

What Dr Crippen has against that kind of approach - well, I have no idea.

[I have nothing against a minimal interventional approach at all - provided it is in a place of safety]

Obviously if there was any danger to me or the baby whilst in labour, then further intervention would have been considered and taken, but there was no need.

[This is where we part company. There are some obstetric complications, such as for example prolapsed cords and post partum haemorrhage that are unpredictable and, when they happen, need immediate intervention. That is not possible at home.]

There was a midwife who lost her baby at a home birth who reported her story in the Daily Telegraqph. Quite extraordinarily, she said she was still in favour of home births. Read the story here:

http://nhsblogdoc.blogspot.com/2006/05/home-birth-tragedy.html

Absolute lunacy. Who speaks up for the interests of the baby.

I have complete respect for people who consider all aspects of an argument and discuss it rationally. I hope you will do that. But, from the tone of your comment above, I feel your fingers are already going back in your ears.

A shame

John

Patriciaxm

favorited this one, bro

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